Vapor 2010???

[Finian]

Answers to forum questions -

Marco - I do not know much about the masts yet, I sailed the 09 production versions in the 09 and 010 proto sails I tried.

Racer - I would prefer not to speak in specific comparison terms with the E2 for professional reasons. I can say in general terms that the 010 Vapor will be competitive, how competitive remains to be seen.

Good sailing, Finian

[racer]

first of all,Finian,thank you for replying but,sorry,I disagree with your arguments.
When we (public,customers) have a super chance like this (your sponsorship/brand switch) we'd really appreciate to hear a REAL comparison.
I didn't ask you if the new Vapor is faster than the Evo II but what are the main differences between them and how that influence the board behaviour and/or the sailor feeling.
I'm sure you are going to add a super support to this forum (which,in my opinion,is relatively lazy) but,sorry,support could mean also pointing on some "hard argument". That's part of the way (IMHO) to build (and mantain) a solid reputation for a big brand like Gaastra.

[Vincent1]

Hi there,

Follow this link to find more information about Vapor 2010 !

Very intersting and the inset lew looked very well designed !

http://www.continentseven.com/2010/01/0 ... race-sail/

[kapten k]

First off i´d like to to say that the 2010 vapors look great!

second, on comparing vapors 2010 to Evo2 sails, is not easy to do at all! It´s so much down to sail trim and tuning .

I switched from Rs racing 07/08 to vapors 08 and then 09.
I i can honestly say that first times on the water my RSR felt better than my vapors, Now my vapors feel a lot better than my RSR did.
Competing sails doesent even come in the same siezes!

I felt the vapors had more bottom end grunt and was more draft stable. Another very fast swedish speed sailor thought the RSR had to much grunt, and stabilty so he switched to vapors to have a softer sail!!, I guess we dont rig and tune our gear the same!

Tuning and trimming your sail, board, fin, stance, harness etc... is the key to going fast.
what i really like is the build quality and construction of the vapors and the gaastra masts.

I think it´s REALLY nice of guys like finan, kevin and ross to participate in an open forum like this!
Their commitment, skill and time on the water make them the best of the best.
Would you ask a great soccerplayer which shoelace was the longest?

A guy like finian would propably make everybody at my spot look REALLY slow, even if he was on his 1996 gaastras!!!


Best regards
Glenn
Sweden

[racer]

First off i´d like to to say that the 2010 vapors look great!

second, on comparing vapors 2010 to Evo2 sails, is not easy to do at all! It´s so much down to sail trim and tuning .

I switched from Rs racing 07/08 to vapors 08 and then 09.
I i can honestly say that first times on the water my RSR felt better than my vapors, Now my vapors feel a lot better than my RSR did.
Competing sails doesent even come in the same siezes!

I felt the vapors had more bottom end grunt and was more draft stable. Another very fast swedish speed sailor thought the RSR had to much grunt, and stabilty so he switched to vapors to have a softer sail!!, I guess we dont rig and tune our gear the same!

Tuning and trimming your sail, board, fin, stance, harness etc... is the key to going fast.
what i really like is the build quality and construction of the vapors and the gaastra masts.

I think it´s REALLY nice of guys like finan, kevin and ross to participate in an open forum like this!
Their commitment, skill and time on the water make them the best of the best.
Would you ask a great soccerplayer which shoelace was the longest?

A guy like finian would propably make everybody at my spot look REALLY slow, even if he was on his 1996 gaastras!!!


Best regards
Glenn
Sweden

when you ask Finian to compare the sails you can be sure he has no problem to find the best trim for both.Of course his set up will be different than mine BUT I'm interested to hear HIS point of view on this subject and then build my opinion.

I find pretty natural be comfortable after a whileso,still,I don't see the news.

I've owned both the rsr (7,8 -super size!) and the vapor '08 and guess the NP were and are (for my way of sailing) better on every aspect.
If you say that the Vapor has better low end than the rsr,sorry,but I see you have no idea about racing sails...

I compete both fw and slalom so I totally agree that tuning is the key BUT there are also intrinsec features in the sails that make them deliver different feeling.

Repeat,I've asked Finian something because I know he's at the top,so no reason you answer for him.

Do you think we all don't know he could win hands low any race against the "average joe" and,if he has the chance,also against the top dogs in the circuit??

Please don't post if you have nothing to say!

[Vincent1]

Hi there,

I do understand the need for the extra information and I do also understand why Finian woudn't like to comment. He's a very polite and respectfull guy and whatever his thoughts are, it's not comfortable to say today is better than yesterday, especially in public. Just like to have to compare in public you new girl friend and the previous one ! Trust me, both will be pissed of, whatever you say !

Finian has been on the top for many years and I guess that if he chose to move to Gaastra, he was sure to found good conditions there to succed another year !

Every pro racer at Gaastra seemed to want more power at low speed (in the traffic, after the mark...)especially for larger sails (7.6 and over) while sails were clearly super fast at speed. I understood they worked a lot on increasing acceleration at low end while keeping (or increasing) speed at hi end. We will see with tests in magazine if it works !

[racer]

Finian,now it's couple of years you develope the x-fire's.
Would you please tell me what's changed in the 135 and 122?
Have you widened the tail?
Being 80 kg and used to Isonic 133-111,what's the best choice for me using the 9,5 and 8,6?
I'm doubtfull if choice 135-112 or 122-102 (smaller sail sizes are 7,8 and 7,8).
thank you

[Finian]

Answer for racer - At 80kg I would highly suggest the 122 (9.3/8.4) and 102 (7.6/6.7). Both these boards have plenty of power for their respective wind ranges this season, especially the 122, which you at your weight can take down to 8-knots with relative ease on a 9.3. The 135 is a proper 135 for 010 so it is quite a bit bigger than the 09 version and designed for really low winds and heavier sailors in mind like myself. The 010 range is the first selection that I developed except for the 112 in 09. You won't be disappointed with any of the choices you have outlined.

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Good sailing, Finian

[racer]

thank you Finian.

Hearing and reading first comment about new boards I've suspected they were powerfull but needed to understand the amount of power added.
Talking about the big board sizes I had a bad experience with the Manta 79 in '08.Please,don't get me wrong,the board sailed good,just I'm not an efficient sailor and in light wind I need as much power as I can get.Later I switched for the IS 133 and was a new story...
That's why I'm a bit scary with your comment now.
If you combine the need for power when light (135 looks better) AND the need for control (122 looks better) when get rough...
As you know better than anybody else new boards is it possible for you try to give a rough idea of their wind range (average 80 kg sailor) ?

thank you

[Finian]

Racer - I will answer the questions this time about the boards, I think in the future this forum should be just about Gaastra products and questions.

The 135 010 is powerful but easy. If you are not an efficient sailor and you want to burn around in light winds with a 9.3, then you will be pleased with this size. The 122 can handle a 9.3 but it is better suited to the 8.4. The 135 wind ranges are from 7-18 knots and the 122 is from 9-20 knots (for a top light weight pro, it is down to 7-knots). So I would think for you that the 135 is fine but know that it is pretty floaty, which can be of good use if you want to plane early but at the same time deal with medium winds in the gusts, no problem.

Good sailing, Finian